
Welcome to the Payne Points of Wealth: The podcast that addresses all the pain points that come with creating your wealth, growing your wealth, and sustaining your wealth. Hosted by the Family Wealth Experts of Payne Capital Management, Bob, Ryan & Chris Payne. On a weekly basis, they deliver timely strategies and solutions for the pain points that come with building, preserving and managing your wealth.
Episodes

4 hours ago
4 hours ago
31 min
How do successful entrepreneurs find opportunities everyone else overlooks? They start by asking better questions—and listening to the people who actually have the problem.
On this episode of **Payne Points of Wealth**, Bob, Ryan, and Chris Payne welcome **Dr. Shalabh Gupta**, founder and CEO of **Unicycive Therapeutics**, to explore how an unmet patient need became the foundation for a publicly traded biotech company.
Drawing on his experience as a physician, Wall Street analyst, and entrepreneur, Dr. Gupta explains how conversations with hundreds of kidney specialists helped him validate an opportunity and raise roughly $10 million in private capital.
We discuss the three essentials for building a business—story, team, and resources—and why a compelling pitch means little if nobody needs your product. Plus, we explore biotech investing, FDA hurdles, cash runway, and how artificial intelligence is changing the way companies prepare to bring treatments to market.
Whether you’re building a business or evaluating your next investment, this conversation offers a practical look at recognizing unmet demand—and understanding what it takes to turn an idea into a business.

Oct 15, 2026
Oct 15, 2026
32 min
Why does a “strong” economy still feel so expensive?
Slower inflation doesn’t erase years of higher prices—and voters are feeling the squeeze. On this week’s Payne Points of Wealth, political commentator and former Wall Street analyst Liz Peek joins Bob, Ryan, and Chris Payne to discuss the disconnect between economic growth and everyday affordability. They debate Trump’s economic messaging, tariffs, and how cost-of-living frustration could shape the 2026 midterm elections.
Plus, could relief be coming for oil and diesel prices? And how much further can the AI stock rally run before earnings expectations become impossible to meet? The team explores energy risks, the AI boom, and why investors should think about diversification before market sentiment turns.

Oct 8, 2026
Oct 8, 2026
23 min
Americans say the economy feels terrible—but they’re still booking vacations, renovating homes, and packing stores. Why is there such a disconnect between consumer confidence and consumer spending?
On this episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Ryan Payne, Bob Payne, Chris Payne, and Courtney Garcia explore how rising household wealth, retiring baby boomers, and higher interest income may be helping keep spending strong—even as affordability remains a real challenge for many families.
Plus, we discuss why interest rates are rising globally, how AI investment and manufacturing reshoring could support economic growth, and what the 2026 midterms could mean for stocks. Could falling oil prices and political gridlock set the stage for a year-end rally?

Oct 1, 2026
Oct 1, 2026
35 min
Barron’s reporter Jacob Sonenshine joins us for this episode of the Payne Points of Wealth to debate what’s driving Treasury yields higher, why stocks have remained resilient, and whether AI earnings expectations are becoming too optimistic.
We explore opportunities in financials and medical devices, the risks behind the AI spending boom, and why owning the S&P 500 may leave your portfolio more concentrated than you realize.
We discuss:
- Why tech stocks can rally even as Treasury yields rise
- How oil prices, inflation, and economic growth shape the outlook for interest rates
- The contrarian case for financials and medical device stocks
- Meta’s AI ambitions, competition, and the challenge of turning spending into profits
- How equal-weight investing can help reduce exposure to a handful of market giants
- Can the AI rally keep running? And how can you participate while building a portfolio that doesn’t depend on it?

Sep 25, 2026
Sep 25, 2026
31 min
Is AI creating an alternative energy boom?
As data centers drive up electricity demand, the U.S. needs more power, a stronger grid, and faster ways to build both.
Ryan and Chris Payne sit down with Chris Johnson, president of the American Energy Leadership Institute, to discuss why nuclear, geothermal, solar, batteries, and natural gas could all have a role in the AI buildout.
They explore the push for permitting reform, the challenge of expanding transmission, competition with China, and where smaller power companies may find opportunities.
The conversation also covers the outlook for oil prices amid the Iran conflict, the Strait of Hormuz, Venezuela’s potential oil supply, and why high diesel prices can ripple through the economy.

Sep 18, 2026
Sep 18, 2026
23 min
Markets are falling, the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates, the 10-year Treasury is near 5%, and inflation remains stubborn. Is this another short-term correction—or the beginning of a bear market?
In this episode, we explain how investors can prepare without abandoning their long-term strategy. They discuss the strength of corporate earnings, why bear markets can create powerful opportunities, and how higher yields are changing the outlook for bonds and cash.
In this episode:
• The difference between a correction and a bear market
• How rising rates affect stocks and bonds
• Why economic growth and earnings remain resilient
• The risks of owning bond funds in a volatile market
• How a bond ladder can reduce interest-rate risk
• Why your best long-term investments may begin during bear markets
• Whether AI spending can continue supporting the economy

Sep 4, 2026
Sep 4, 2026
21 min
For more than a decade, investors were rewarded for following a simple playbook: favor U.S. stocks, lean heavily into technology, depend on low interest rates, and buy every dip. But the economic environment that made those strategies so successful has fundamentally changed.
Ryan, Bob, and Chris Payne join Courtney Garcia to explain why stronger growth, persistent inflation, higher interest rates, and shifting market leadership require a different investment approach. They discuss why the S&P 500’s extraordinary returns may be difficult to repeat, why now could be the time to rebalance, and where investors may find better value in bonds, international markets, commodities, energy, and real estate.
With September beginning in the red, oil above $90, interest rates climbing, and the national debt reaching $40 trillion, is the bull market approaching its end—or is the pullback creating another opportunity?
The biggest risk may not be the next market decline. It may be relying on an investing playbook built for a world that no longer exists.

Aug 27, 2026
Aug 27, 2026
22 min
Interest rates are climbing, inflation remains stubborn, and America’s national debt has reached $40 trillion. Should investors be worried—or are rates simply returning to historical norms?
In this episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Ryan Payne, Bob Payne, Chris Payne, and Courtney Garcia discuss what rising Treasury yields mean for stocks, bonds, mortgages, and the broader economy. They also examine the inflationary effects of tariffs, AI infrastructure spending, higher oil prices, federal deficits, and a weakening dollar. Plus, discover why market leadership is expanding beyond the Magnificent Seven—and where opportunities may be emerging in commodities, energy, healthcare, industrials, international stocks, emerging markets, and other inflation-sensitive investments.

Aug 20, 2026
Aug 20, 2026
22 min
AI valuations are soaring, semiconductor stocks are surging again, and investors are asking the inevitable question: How much longer can this bull market run?
In this episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Bob, Ryan, and Chris compare today’s AI-driven rally with the late-1990s tech boom. They examine the risks behind massive AI spending, lofty valuations, increasing corporate debt, and rising global interest rates—while explaining why strong economic growth and record earnings could continue driving stocks higher.
The Paynes also discuss why chasing the hottest investments can backfire, how market leadership is expanding beyond the Magnificent Seven, and where opportunities may be hiding in international stocks, emerging markets, value companies, commodities, and energy infrastructure. Plus, they explore signs of a shifting real estate market and how the enormous wealth of retiring baby boomers could support consumer spending for years to come.

Jul 30, 2026
Jul 30, 2026
21 min
Is the market falling apart—or is money simply rotating?
In this episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Bob, Ryan, Chris, and Courtney explain why semiconductor stocks and the Magnificent Seven are struggling while energy, commodities, value stocks, REITs, international stocks, and emerging markets continue to perform.
The team discusses why diversification is winning in 2026, whether Wall Street’s AI earnings expectations have become too optimistic, and why the biggest long-term AI winners may be companies outside the technology sector.
They also examine:
• Whether the Federal Reserve could raise interest rates
• How oil prices, tariffs, and reshoring could affect inflation
• Why companies are rehiring workers after AI-related layoffs
• How baby boomer wealth is supporting consumer spending and housing
• Where investors may find growth beyond the Magnificent Seven
The key takeaway: money is not necessarily leaving the market. It may be rotating into overlooked sectors and asset classes—and investors who stay diversified could be better positioned for what comes next.
